A conversation with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and a word from an OpenAI whistleblower

Warning: This episode contains strong language.

This week we host a cultural exchange. Kevin and Casey show off their Canadian weaponry to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, and he shows what he's doing to position Canada as a leader in artificial intelligence. Then, OpenAI whistleblower Daniel Kokotajlo talks in one of his first public interviews about why he risked nearly $2 million in capital to warn about what he calls the reckless culture within that company.


  • Justin Trudeau, Canadian Prime Minister

  • Daniel Kokotajlo, a former researcher in OpenAI's governance division

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“Hard Fork” is hosted by Kevin Roose AND Casey Newton and produced by Whitney Jones AND Rachel Cohn. The show is edited by Poyant only. Engineering by Alyssa Moxley and original music by Dan Powell, Marion Lozano, Diane Wong AND Pat McCusker.

Special thanks to Paula Szuchman, Pui Wing Tam, Nell Gallogly, Kate Lo Presti AND Jeffrey Miranda.

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